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Ice Banned From “Free Speech” Forum For Speaking Freely

Just as I predicted in one of my recent posts… I just found out that I was banned from a certain forum… which I will not link to here for fear that any of my readers may actually visit the freakin’ place, possibly join and then be subjected to the same crap as others, like myself.

I found it very telling that there isn’t any “solicitation” allowed by members… ya can’t even post a link to a business venture in your signature.  I had done this, but this was not the reason I was banned.

I was banned as a “disturber” because I pointed out the contradictory nature of the admin.  It is definite that some members are preferred over others and some are given much more leeway than others.  In most forums a lot of those people that have been favored at this certain forum would have been banned for the crap they had posted.

But let us look at some of the details:

No solitication of any kind?  Allow me to quote one of the administrators Private Messages sent to me (and who knows how many others):

Hey Ice, here is a great opportunity for you.
You are a real go-getter, I know.
You want to help people better themselves too, I know that also.
Call (phone number here), its about a 3 minute message.
Then if you want you can visit my page at:
(his link was here).
It is free.
OK Ice, be cool.

Mike G.

So, what we see by this is that some people must follow the rules and others are not required to.

The thing about the link to my business venture being in my signature is that it was posted in defense against a certain members posts in which he attacked my personal character and the business with accusations of fraud and criminal conduct. Of course, he provided no proof or supporting evidence of such. My link was allowed by the site owner and has been in my signature for many months now. It was recently removed by the other guy which has been harassing me of late.

Now here’s a rub – I get a private message from him that states:

I don’t see any link on that quote.
Talk to Charles about the rest.
We’re done.
You got a warning now.
You want to keep shit disturbing keep it up.

Notice that it sez I’m given a warning.  But when I attempted to log in to respond to this message I discovered that I was BANNED.  Imagine that.

I have no idea what link he thought I should supply for which quote… since I recently made many quotes.  Most of those were from my Private Messages… and he wants me to supply a link to my inbox?  What is he, nuts?

For those of you that may have missed my latest posts… here they are:

Gee… what I lack is the guy’s address… you wanna give it up and then we’ll see how well the contest goes??

Remember that this is a PUBLIC forum.  He posted those things publicly.  And you know that I have all of those postings saved… just as I stated HERE. (<a link was supplied here.)

As for knowledge of the banning… I would have knowledge of the banning if the parties involved shared that knowledge. Can I prove that I have knowledge?? Not for this particular instance… unless one of the parties comes forward and declares that the knowledge I profess to have is accurate.

One thing is for sure… HE WASN’T BANNED BECAUSE OF WHAT HE POSTED ABOUT ME AND MY BUSINESS.  Those things violated the TOS but it didn’t matter. He remained a “valuable member” for weeks after his attack.  And the truth is that I have never witnessed an attack such as his be ignored by any forum administration … as it was here.

And you know that you deleted some of my responses to his postings… and that wasn’t fair at all.  We pm’d each other about that … remember?

Be warned folks… if you attempt to defend yourself and violate the TOS you will be told:

“To be fair and square I have to ban both of you.”

And if you complain about an assault upon your character you will be told there is no violation of the TOS:

“There is know consequences this is a public forum shit happen all the time and you know that too.”

“There is know breach, this is a public forum not private. Freedom is Freedom member’s have the right to speak their minds period.”

And that is how things are handled around here when someone makes false accusations of fraud and criminal activity… when someone comes in here and blatantly attempts to damage your personal character and business with false accusations you won’t see them suffer any penalty for such a “personal attack” (which is supposedly not allowed here).

But I’ll bet you’ll be seeing me get banned for speaking out about this situation from the past.  Of course, there will be some “other reason” offered for the ban … but we’ll know the real reason.

As I said in my earlier post: This stuff happens because the forums involve PEOPLE: People as members and operators.  There will always be a place wherein some people are preferred over others, some will be held in high honor and be allowed to do as they please… and others will be spit on.

What is really amazing is that there are almost 200 people involved in my business… And I have not been told of any one of them that has been approached by any government agency for any reason … I’m sure they would have been asking someone for assistance if they were having any problems.  So… fraud? … criminal activity?  Doesn’t seem to be the case.  But those statements were made and not one shred of evidence was provided to support those accusations.  And those accusations were allowed to stand in this forum without any reprisal.

That’s my side of things.  I don’t really care what any one else thinks about the situation.

You all have a nice life.

Next:

The term “drama queen” is very common.  And it was not directed at any specific person but a group of “unknown” people that love to catch the drama in the forums.  Those “drama” threads usually get the most views. They are out there… and they are “drama queens”.  It is a “label” that accurately describes some people.

As for the other “name calling” — oh yeah… that fits the guy.  It was directed at a SPECIFIC FORMER MEMBER (as far as I know he is not currently a member) that has brought this particular label upon himself by his own actions. Anyone that would make such false accusations (unsupported and without evidence as they were) in an attempt to damage anothers personal character and business deserves such a label… and others even more profane as well.

Okay… that’s enough… the drama queens have had their fill for the day.

We’ll be leaving it alone now.

By The Way — NICE CLEAN UP JOB YOU DID ON MY SIGNATURE … BY REMOVING MY LINKS – PARTICULARLY THE ONE TO THE BUSINESS VENTURE THAT WAS PLACED IN MY SIGNATURE AS A DEFENSE TO THE ACCUSATIONS MADE AND IS NOW NO LONGER AVAILABLE FOR OTHERS TO INVESTIGATE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER.

Isn’t it something how some folks must have the last word??  I was given absolutely no opportunity to respond to his private message (the one that stated I am warned) and no opportunity to respond to any responses he or anyone else may have made to my most recent posts. And the quotes above regarding “freedom of speech” came directly from the owner of the site … that “freedom of speech” is being withheld from me.  I got banned because I dared to “speak freely.”

Here is my prediction: that forum, like all the rest that came before it, will crash and burn.

I can easily make this prediction because of the contradictory nature of the people running the show. Free Speech in that forum is only allowed for their “preferred” members … their buddies, their pals… and anyone else that agrees with their take on things.

I have noticed that someone has been in kind of a hurry to download stuff from The Ice Files … and I figure it’s the “admin” guys from that forum downloading stuff for their own download files.  I have password protected The Ice Files.  Ya gotta have the password for access.

As I said in my last few posts there:  Have a nice life.

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August 31, 2009 - Posted by | Forums, Free Speech, Freedom, Ice, Internet Forums, Liberty, Media, Stuff from the Past, Terms and Conditions, TOS | , , , , , , ,

14 Comments »

  1. Whatever happened to: “There is know consequences this is a public forum shit happen all the time and you know that too.”

    Isn’t it funny how there are no consequences for some people but there are for others?

    Comment by Ice | August 31, 2009 | Reply

  2. We have known Ice for a very, very long time. He is an honorable and fair man.

    We are very aware of this and the past situation that Ice speaks about. We at Pro Dart believe that Ice has been mistreated by this particular forum.

    We also believe that all forums should allow their members to post links to any business venture they are involved with. One of the prime reasons that people join and participate in such forums is that advertising aspect.

    In any event, it is unfair for any forum to allow any member to state vicious false claims against another, as was done to Ice, and not suffer the consequence of being banned. It was unfair that certain of Ice’s responses in that instance were deleted by the Moderator.

    We have, therefore, deleted their link from our site.

    And we certainly feel that this current action against Ice is way out of line… particularly for a forum that claims to allow its members “freedom of speech.”

    Ice, You have been a good friend and will remain a good friend. We shall see you at the other forums that remain committed to fair practice.

    Your Friends at Pro Dart Tournaments

    Comment by prodarttournaments | August 31, 2009 | Reply

  3. Thank you for your support.

    In a conversation with a friend he said: “Shades of TSN!! And when LRG took over suijuris.net they continued their policy to ban people for any negative posts about the site. This sounds like the same people.”

    Now THAT was a very telling statement! How is it that this forum became what they had once denounced and sought to change?? This is a question that members should consider.

    Also, I should mention that my ban was declared to be lifted “Never.” Yep. That means that I will NEVER be back to that site.

    That’s okay folks, there are plenty of other forums that really are a whole lot better than that one.

    I want to send Thanks to all of my friends that have shown me their support. But let me warn you: Don’t speak of it at that forum!! You might get banned for doing so!!

    Comment by Ice | August 31, 2009 | Reply

  4. You should not be so nice to them because they are the losers but yet they changed your Icon to a Banned Loser Sign.

    This is un called for … check the “Natural Person” thread here.

    MRG is an asshole and it says a lot for what kind of forum it really is. TRUE COLORS ARE SHOWING

    Comment by Isis | August 31, 2009 | Reply

  5. Yeah, that was me in that conversation with Ice.

    I’ve said my piece in a comment on the other post.

    I am really tired of these “suijuris” people. One minute they are your best friend and in the next they are doing ya damage. You can’t turn your back on any of ’em.

    To the Members of that forum: Please take note that ALL OF YOU gain a bad reputation because of the site administrators from these forums. I’m sorry, but I wouldn’t trust any of you to do right by me … considering the fact that you will allow these unjust actions to go unpunished. If you are still frequenting that site after this – then you are responsible for this kind of crap as well because you allow it by your continued presence as a member.

    Maybe you should join the GIM forum? LOL!!

    Comment by freakincrazzzy | August 31, 2009 | Reply

    • Oooo… that was harsh!

      Comment by Ice | August 31, 2009 | Reply

      • I don’t believe it was harsh at all.

        Let me also add this:

        Those people, all of them, should give you a hell of a lot more respect then they have in the past. I was there when “suijuris” himself posted that he would not have begun the suijuris.net site without your involvement. You and he were the keys to its success… you made a good team. (Yeah, I know about the break. Too bad that some cannot discern who their true friends are.)

        In any event, you deserve their respect and their GRATITUDE for the efforts that you have put forth in the past.

        (How do you get your posts set in bold like that?)

        Comment by freakincrazzzy | August 31, 2009 | Reply

  6. To go bold you must use the code “strong” with the greater than / lesser than symbols.

    Comment by Ice | August 31, 2009 | Reply

  7. Excellent site, keep up the good work

    Comment by Bill Bartmann | September 2, 2009 | Reply

  8. Thanks for article. Everytime like to read you.
    Thank you
    Pett

    Comment by Pett | September 4, 2009 | Reply

  9. Ice,

    It’s truly a sad day when a man who has given much of himself to people seeking truth and freedom is kicked off a forum supposedly dedicated to that! You did nothing wrong in promoting an opportunity that allows for flexiblity in asset protection and planning. Its the individual that chooses to misuse those entities that creates any troubles.

    Although I have no proof, I believe the admin of that forum is in fear of, or possibly has a coerced relationship with various alphabet soup agencies. If that be the case, then you are better off.

    I dont care if this gets me banned there…I still consider you to be a friend. BTW, those tomatoes Isis cultivated look delicious!

    Peace,
    Livefire

    Comment by Livefire | September 8, 2009 | Reply

    • Thank You, Livefire. We appreciate your support.

      But make no mistake – I was not banned from that site for “advertising”. If it had been advertising that I had been banned for then it would have happened promptly after posting one particular response in which I provided the link to KYA at every opportunity. I wasn’t banned for several days after that posting and only after mrg and I had got into a little back and forth unrelated to that particular post or topic – of which he seemed to be fighting a losing battle.

      If “advertising” is the reason they are giving for my being banned – then they are definitely showing their hand because it is absolutely demonstrated that advertising was not the reason for my banning. As I have stated before, I was allowed to display my link in my signature as a defense to the libel they allowed to stand in that forum. Yes, Charles certainly did say that “to be fair” he would have had to ban both GoodFriend and me…. but that wouldn’t have been fair at all because I did not violate the TOS by posting fraudulent claims about another member. All I did was defend myself against those lies. Being banned for that could NOT be considered fair in any way shape or form.

      Let’s face it: There will never be a “sui juris” site that will not have biased Admins and Mods. Go ahead, get the best of mrg and watch how fast you get banned for pointing out his error. He can only claim that you are guilty of “ad hominem” attacks (his favorite claim when he can’t fight logic!) or attempt to ignore your post by dismissing it with a feeble reply. Yeah… I “caused a ruckus” alright. Geez… some folks just don’t know how to accept criticism or defeat well. All of this “lashing out” and “getting even”… what a freakin’ waste of time. You’ll see more of it… and a lot more of that stupid fish picture mrg uses to avoid answering logic. Hope you enjoy the time you have left there… cuz just like all the others that came before it – this one will also go down the tubes. It might take some time… but it will definitely fail.

      And YES – the tomatoes are excellent!! We have several large ones (the round ones are the “females” and the long ones with the little stud on the bottom are the “males”) that slice up “sandwich size”. And the taste is much better than those “early girls” or big boys. The tomatoes that Isis has are great for sauces and canning (makes an excellent thick sauce). These are big, heavy plants and take most experienced gardeners by surprise when their usual “staking” methods won’t hold them up. So, if you’re thinking about “Kalman’s Hungarian Pinks” for next season – be prepared!!

      Ice

      Comment by Ice | September 8, 2009 | Reply

  10. need your email address brah, lol.

    Comment by kgod999 | September 9, 2009 | Reply

    • You now have it.
      Thanks for dropping in… again.
      As always, keep in touch, kgod.

      Comment by Ice | September 9, 2009 | Reply


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